ace discourse reminds me so much of that one snl sketch: a found poem

autismserenity:

autismserenity:

literally, nothing exclusionists do, and nothing you say to an exclusionist, will ever matter. nothing will ever get a response beyond “nuh uh!”

they’ll phrase it different ways every time: “aces are cishet. cishets are cishet. they just wanna be oppressed so bad. they’re literally not oppressed in any way. they don’t experience homophobia or transphobia. they benefit from homophobia and transphobia. they are lying. that never happened.

“you can’t use their tumblr posts as proof. you can’t use studies about them as proof. you can’t use every real-life org including them as proof. you can’t use our community’s own oral history as proof. you can’t use our community’s own written historical documents as proof.

“lmao i’m not a terf, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao i’m not quoting terf rhetoric, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao i’m not consistently attacking trans women inclusionists, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao our movement isn’t full of terfs, we literally called out a terf once. lmao how dare you show me a blocklist of hundreds of terf exclusionists to call out, I’m literally an nb lesbian.

“anyway the community literally started to combat homophobia and transphobia. anyway it’s always been lgbtpn. anyway it’s always been lgbt. anyway cishets aren’t lgbt.”

some of the things that canonically Don’t Even Matter and are clearly Fake News:

aces as a group experience 30% more harassment, 221% more sexual assault, 100% more intimate partner violence, and 277% more stalking than straight people.

aces are as likely to be suicidal as gay or bi people, and twice as likely as straight people

aces do, in fact, get sent to conversion therapy specifically for being ace. have to leave schools and jobs specifically for being ace. lose housing because they are ace. get rejected by their families for being ace. get sexually assaulted specifically for being ace, not for “being women” or “declining sex.”

aces, as a group, consistently experience ALL types of sexual assault and abuse at higher rates than their gay and lesbian peers. only bisexuals consistently experience these things at a higher rate as a group, than aces.

trans people who are also asexual are 25% more likely to have attempted suicide than hetero trans people. (Gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people: 10% more likely than het trans people. LESS likely than ace trans people.)

Ace trans people are also 50% more likely than het, gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people to have been homeless. And about 33% more likely to have been evicted for being trans.

(Same study: A higher percentage of trans aces are harassed at work than of trans LGBQ people. A much higher percentage of trans aces have had to quit school because of harassment, than of trans LGBQ people. A higher percentage of trans aces have experienced family rejection, than of trans LGBQ people. A higher percentage of trans aces lack health insurance, than of trans LGBQ people.)

“The first study that gave empirical data about asexuals was published in 1983 by Paula Nurius, concerning the relationship between sexual orientation and mental health.… Results showed that asexuals were more likely to have low self-esteem and more likely to be depressed than members of other sexual orientations”.

In 2015, Russia took away the rights of asexual, binary trans people, and many groups of nonbinary trans people, to have driver’s licenses. Thanks to the fact that every diagnostic manual for mental illness in the world still considers “lack of sexual desire” to be a mental illness.

And an ace-inclusive Russian LGBTI+ youth site, the only one in that country, was shut down a few years ago thanks to a 2013 law against “propaganda causing minors to form non-traditional sexual predispositions.”

aces were being studied, as well as being trashed as not-actually-oppressed by the mainstream gay community, almost 50 years ago.

ace invisibility and its effects were already being written about in academia almost 20 years ago.

lesbian and gay publications were casually referencing asexuals almost 50 years ago

mainstream publications were casually referencing asexuals as part of the LGBT+ community 40+ years ago

lots of gen x bisexuals considered aces part of the bi community, before there was a strong separate ace community, because they experienced equal attraction across genders (even though it was an equal lack of attraction in their case) and thousands of aces on Tumblr have shared their present-day experiences (in the notes on this link) with initially thinking they must be bi for the same reason

exclusionists have consistently singled out trans converts to Judaism for personal harassment, and going so far as to doxx one and try to get the rabbi to not let them and their family convert

exclusionists consistently both suicide-bait and defend suicide-baiting

exclusionists have faked screenshots to claim that a (non-ace, non-aro, inclusionist) transfem sexual abuse survivor was boasting publicly about sexually abusing children

ace exclusionists have been lying about ace inclusionists and enabling real predators in the process since at least fall 2016 tbh

courteousmingler:

universalmage:

bibyediscourse:

aphobes are literally calling a real life wlw abusive to her gf cause she’s asexual and her gf isnt. like. jesus christ.

So this is what they did to me which made me constantly throw myself at my gf and into sexual situations with other people until she finally had to tell me to stop because it was obliviously traumatizing me

for those who weren’t yet convinced that aphobes are a movement that thrives on sexual entitlement and aims to paint asexuals refusing sex as an abusive act.

reminder that aphobes aim to shame and guilt aces into “consenting” to sex and sex acts using this propaganda about denying consent being capable of being abusive.

reminder that using lies, shame, and guilt to convince someone to have sex with you is an act of rape.

reminder that aphobes are, as OP describes, pushing rhetoric to make guilting asexuals into sex (as they’re abusive if they don’t consent) more socially acceptable.

yeah.

Source: legsdemandias

soacethetic:

I feel like exclusionism and it’s obsession with the Evil Invading Cishets is (as well as being destructive to anything Viewed As Cishet, like ace/pan/bi“hets”, nb “trenders” etc) very anti-questioning.

It doesn’t allow for people to question or doubt their identities, it doesn’t allow cis or straight people room to explore experiences or labels, and antagonises vague or too-specific labels. If the LGBT+ community supports questioning people, we have to admit that a small percentage may question and then realise they are cishet, and that has to be fine. We shouldn’t fearmonger out of some feeling of protectiveness. Very few, if any, people are “Queering Heterosexuality” or “Invading safe spaces.”

It’s definitely something I’ve personally felt, especially when I was still exploring my identity. After all, at one stage I identified as a cishet ace and exclusionism (of all kinds) made me doubt myself and closet myself further out of fear I was appropriating or faking or it would be a phase.

Idk. Anyone else?

lioness–hart:

angryqueerautie:

Every queer person I know over the age of 30 is fucking appalled by the state of the queer community, and I have heard some absolutely stellar anti-gatekeeping tirades from queer grandparents. I had a long conversation with a 43 year old pansexual who told me the infighting is almost certainly because we’ve collectively forgotten our joint history and have become more interested in individual social clout than actually advancing the movement for across the board queer equality.

So this is a reminder, I guess, that our elders are on our side. The gatekeeping and the exclusionary behavior is crap.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

stop fucking calling all lesbians dykes (ex. “an older dyke”, “many of the awesome dykes”), especially if you’re not a lesbian. “lesbian” is a label that exists and it’s rude and disrespectful to use a slur to refer to a broad group of people who you don’t personally know. that should honestly be obvious.

queeranarchism:

solitarelee:

sarahsyna:

iron-sunrise:

queeranarchism:

mautlyn:

comcastkills:

queeranarchism:

When I say ‘dykes’, I mean ‘dykes’. As in: people who identify as dykes.

In the post you’re refering to I made it quite clear that I was writing about dykes I know and when I speak of these dykes I won’t erase or sanitize their identities by using a mainstream, tame, deradicalized word that denies the words they specifically chose for themselves to emphasize their identities and their struggles as queer marganilized working class proudly-perverted revolutionary DYKES.

Keep your fucking respectability politics to yourself.

Hmmm. Interesting post!

Anyway, I’ve seen some of my followers reblog from this freak, and I think it’s worth stating that you should probably unfollow me if you agree with them.

did he really just say “proudly-perverted”

Yeah, that makes no sense at all.

(to any people unfollowing me: please block me at the same time so I never have to deal with you again. bye and good riddance)

When did @comcastkills decide to become hot garbage to THIS degree like, damn.

I forget the age range on this site runs only a little past the teens most of the time because nothing said here is in any way outside of LGBTQ history.

But, you know, thats reactionary bullshit for you. Are discoursers all younger than 21 or something? Would that explain this nonsense?

The first person who welcomes me into the community as a sort of mentor proudly ID’d as a Dyke would insist that be used over lesbian or homosexual.

Comcastkills showing the same regard for people as the average school bully, I see.

It’s wild and depressing and wildly depressing for me to see this kind of stuff, because when I was a kid, any of us babygays would have literally killed to have an older queer mentor of any kind. Shockingly, there were few around, because, you know, AIDS. But now, the next generation, finally having what we lost, an older generation to teach them about their cultural history n shit… Just. Actively hates and in some cases even tries to kill them (I’ve seen kids on this hellsite try to cost grown-ass adults, sometimes parents, their jobs, kids, and lives).

Like, I feel so old to be like “back in my day” or “when I was your age” but seriously. I always thought the younger generations would be better off for having what we lost. Instead: this.

And we gotta call it by its name:

It’s not a generation gap. It’s not just ignorance (though that plays a part). It’s not just TERF manipulation against the word queer (though that plays a part).

We’re seeing a young generation of LGBT conservatism: kids who want their civil rights but who don’t want all the mess and scandalousness of actual liberation. Kids who want to hold on to what has been won for white middle class binary identified LG kids and don’t want to thing about what’s happening on the margins on the LGBT movement. Kids who want glamorous LGBT celebrities on tv, not homeless LGBT youth in their spaces. We have kids into gay nationalism. We have lesbians longing for the time when we didn’t include bisexuals and trans women in our communities. We have LGBT youth voting for Tories.

These kids aren’t shitting on their queer elders out of just ignorance, they actively reject our struggle against all oppression.

read-me-loud-and-queer:

lmao remember that terrible biphobic discourse a few years ago and how i didn’t want to call myself bi because ‘what if i’m just a straight girl invading wlw spaces’ (this was before i worked out my gender) and this atrocious bigotry calling itself ‘discourse’ made me, a questioning minor, even further doubt my feelings towards women, as if heteronormativity needed any help

lmao remember the nonbinary/truscum discourse a couple years ago and how i didn’t want to call myself nb because ‘what if i’m just a cis girl invading trans/nb spaces’ because this bullshit calling itself ‘discourse’ made me doubt my dysphoria and my relationship with my gender identity even more, as if cisnormativity needed any help

y’all need to realize that you are hurting people with this shit. whenever you fuckers come in trying to simplify the lgbtq+/queer/mogai communities and identities into something palpable for Straights you push vulnerable and questioning people – vulnerable and questioning minors – away from identities and labels that could help them. you’re all fucking disgusting. and i’m sick of seeing this shit repackaged and pushed on questioning people again and again and again. i’m sick of seeing questioning and lgbtq+ people blamed for cisheteronormative bullshit. i’m sick of your gross recycled TERF rhetoric.